tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-823719196374898491.post5819665117095951760..comments2023-12-19T07:29:42.437-06:00Comments on Dedicated Tenther: Joe Biden Condones MurderDedicated Tentherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02169003228002700000noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-823719196374898491.post-87817714981237019862013-09-21T02:13:18.258-05:002013-09-21T02:13:18.258-05:00The newborn won't endure, the mom may pass awa...The newborn won't endure, the mom may pass away in case one thing isn't done, there is certainly practically not one other alternatives.(In situations where you will find there's chance of keeping the child, by way of example preeclampsia, your moral common will be to try to wait provided that probable, after that stimulate and continue to help save the actual early baby.<br /><a href="http://www.joyrs.com/" rel="nofollow">rs gold for sale</a><br /><a href="http://www.vipmmobank.com/Final-Fantasy-XIV.CDKey" rel="nofollow">FFXIV CD Key</a>runescape gold for salehttp://www.joyrs.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-823719196374898491.post-47733723012858359122012-10-12T11:30:25.865-05:002012-10-12T11:30:25.865-05:00To clarify my "Coward or lying" point. H...To clarify my "Coward or lying" point. He's likely both, but my point there was either a) He doesn't actually believe life begins at conception or b) he won't stand up for his belief that it does. I'm not sure there's a middle groud there of a) and b) (he doesn't believe and he won't stand up for his lack of belief?)<br />I was perhaps too flippant in my 140 character respones on twitter. The "I submit..." phrasing usually is a bit of a CYA by moral theologians before they disagree. I don't think it's usually done with malintent by moral theologians (who usually are engaged in a quest for the truth)In Biden's case however I'm not so sure, it seems to be a bit of an apology towards the church.<br />Let's be clear on one thing though, there's good moral theology in cases of "the life of the mother." There's Double effect principles, weighing, specific situations, questions about immediacy. In Catholic Moral Theology you can't simply declare "My god, I'll die if I have another kid" and run out and get an abortion. Furthermore, there's a "least harm" principle at play (so if there are other treatments first you have to give them fair chance at success before running to a last resort.) Usually it's not a case of "two lives can't be saved you can only save one" it's a question of "only one life can be saved, the mother's, period" The most common case of this is probably ectopic pregancy. The baby isn't going to survive, the mother will die if something isn't done, there is literally no other options.(In cases where there's a chance of saving the baby, for example preeclampsia, the moral standard is usually to try to hold off as long as possible, then induce and try to save the premature baby. Not simply D&C and walk away.) Granted, the Catholic Church has a different terminology for these cases that doesn't translate well to the law. (As an aside, the futurists who do "what if" thinking on Catholic Moral theory have considered that if we can ever correct an ectopic pregancy, rather than merely terminate, you'd have a moral obligation to persue that treatment in many cases, again oversimplification, risks matter, etc.)<br />On Rape and Incest, I think generally speaking you're right, it's not a logically defensible position, but it's pragmatic. If you don't exepmt for those, the emotivists will run roughshod over you, and you're toast. It's sad but it's true. I think the best (political) approach is just to concede that point and work your ass off to prevent Rape and Incest (also, work to increase reporting and early care). This BTW is exactly how I pointed out Akin should have handled that landmine, but he's apparently a SCOAMF as well.<br /><br />(Did I hit every point? Eh, I forget. Anyway.)tsrblkehttp://www.twitter.com/tsrblkenoreply@blogger.com